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I take it as if they don't want or feel like they need any game or intense graphics application on a Mac, since their users wouldn't use them. It's just a vicious circle: don't provide us the means of making a game, we won't make one. Their won't be gamers on Mac, so you won't provide us the means of making a game. Etc, etc.

The 9400M gets 13 FPS with Crysis. The ATI 4670 seems to get decent performance, and that is what they are using in all but the worst IMacs.

 

Too bad the only way to get the 4670 is to pay an extra $300! I could buy a much better GPU for less than half the price increase.

 

The 21.5" iMac with the ATI 4670 is probably the best choice. At $1499, it's more than twice what I would pay for a much better PC.

I have to buy a laptop these days and I was seriously considering to get a mac book pro, however I got the same feeling Josh is expressing here. For the amount of money I pay for the MBP I can get a much better PC laptop, with better graphics, better processor, more hard drive storage capacity, more RAM,etc. Mostly, having the mac book pro would be a snob thing of having the "cool" laptop to show in business meetings, but besides that I must admit I prefer a machine I can really work on, for 3d graphics, realtime stuff, hardcore gaming, etc. A Mac still runs short on many of these aspects unless you buy that 7k machine Josh mentions and I'm not the one who'll pay that kind of money. In the long run, I think I'll get a good Dell or HP. That Newegg machine you're posting is pretty sexy Josh. Is it capable of "leadwerking" just fine? The graphics are cool, and having a 17" display makes it a great deal.

 

To snob or not to snob... that is the question.

While I agree buying a Mac is for people lacking in brain cells. The company is succeeding. Stock has increased 510% in the last 5 years. Plenty of people willing to lose their money out there.

The Mac sells well for people who have no clue about computers. They just want some keyboard and screen which works.

The consoles are similar in the idea, they have also completely outdated hardware, but they are easy to use, and require no skills of computers.

If people would just take the time to learn how computers work, they would get much better quality at lower prices when using a PC.

But learning and skills are not in fashion anymore. Everybody just wants to have things without knowing anything about anything.

Even the $7000 Mac can't run Crysis because it has a budget card. I have tried a GEForce 9800M laptop and was really fast, faster than a full-size 8800.

 

I wouldn't complain so much if Macs had good hardware at ridiculous prices, but the laptop GPUs are about as powerful as a GEForce 6800 and they are selling them for thousands of dollars. And Mac fanboys always brag about how Apple doesn't cut corners with their hardware. Yes they do!

I am so glad I'm not the only one who has noticed this.

You can say a Mac is for folks without brain cells, or that it's for people who have no clue about computers, but y'know that nice code that lets you work with Lua the way you can now? Written on a Mac by a Mac user.

 

At any rate, good job alienating one of the people offering you help in getting Lua working.

Well, hardware and aesthetics aside, pricing is complex issue that goes beyond what you see is what you buy. Apple has always been about asthetics. I've worked in high-end publishing (books, advertising) where Apple dominates in the same way as their 'rivals' dominate the domestic market. They know their audience and it's strengths. It's a different world.

 

Nothing to do with brain-cells or lack-of. Just business. I'd love a new mac-book for doing that sort of thing, it's the computing equiv of a low emissions car.

I didn't say Mac users were stupid. I said Apple is charging too much for the components they use. I'm disappointed they don't have one laptop model with a GEForce 9800M, which is very fast by desktop standards.

I'm not a mac fanboy, nor do I usually like them. But I'll say its one of the last products put together in the United States.

I'm not a mac fanboy, nor do I usually like them. But I'll say its one of the last products put together in the United States.

 

It is designed in US but manufactured in China, as far as I know.