Game Producer Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 During summer? This year? Next year? Intel Dual Core 3GHz / GeForce GTS 450 - 1024 MB / Driver ver 267.59 / 8 GB RAM / Win 7 - 64 bit / LE2.50 / BMAX 1.48 game producer blog - Dead Wake Zombie Game powered by Leadwerks Engine Twitter - Unfollow me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh1sp3r Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 SOON -= Phenom II X4 965 3.4Ghz - ATI HD5870 - 6 GB DDR3 RAM - Windows 8 Pro 64x=- Website: http://www.flamewarestudios.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Producer Posted May 20, 2012 Author Share Posted May 20, 2012 how soon? Intel Dual Core 3GHz / GeForce GTS 450 - 1024 MB / Driver ver 267.59 / 8 GB RAM / Win 7 - 64 bit / LE2.50 / BMAX 1.48 game producer blog - Dead Wake Zombie Game powered by Leadwerks Engine Twitter - Unfollow me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benton Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 When its ready Josh has been hinting this summer though. Windows 7 Professional 64 bit, 16 gigs ram, 3.30GHz Quad Core, GeForce GTX 460 one gig, Leadwerks 2.5, Blender 2.62, Photoshop CS3, UU3D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardia Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 I am preparing to test LE3, yesterday I started making a reference framework from standard libraries, which I can then use to identify LE3 specific issues and provide feature requests which I already know how to implement. ■ Ryzen 9 ■ RX 6800M ■ 16GB ■ XF8 ■ Windows 11 ■ ■ Ultra ■ LE 2.5 ■ 3DWS 5.6 ■ Reaper ■ C/C++ ■ C# ■ Fortran 2008 ■ Story ■ ■ Homepage: https://canardia.com ■ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benton Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 So as a source owner you get early access? Or is Josh releasing a beta soon? Or are you just preparing for a beta release? Windows 7 Professional 64 bit, 16 gigs ram, 3.30GHz Quad Core, GeForce GTX 460 one gig, Leadwerks 2.5, Blender 2.62, Photoshop CS3, UU3D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardia Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 So far I haven't got any early access to LE3, I'm just preparing generally to test the beta. ■ Ryzen 9 ■ RX 6800M ■ 16GB ■ XF8 ■ Windows 11 ■ ■ Ultra ■ LE 2.5 ■ 3DWS 5.6 ■ Reaper ■ C/C++ ■ C# ■ Fortran 2008 ■ Story ■ ■ Homepage: https://canardia.com ■ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benton Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 If we get a beta. Did LE2 come out with a beta? Windows 7 Professional 64 bit, 16 gigs ram, 3.30GHz Quad Core, GeForce GTX 460 one gig, Leadwerks 2.5, Blender 2.62, Photoshop CS3, UU3D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canardia Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 That's a bit difficult question to answer, because different people understand different things as a beta LE2 had a turbulent development anyway, because it was first released as a completely rewritten LE1 engine, and then again in LE2.1 it was rewritten again to be a deferred renderer. It was a learning process for everyone, and deferred rendering was found out to be the best solution at that time, however modern engines have hybrid forward/deferred rendering also, because although deferred rendering can handle much more content, it also lacks of features which forward rendering can do, of which OpenGL 4 brings back a few features to deferred rendering. LE3 is a modern engine, and it brings back forward rendering as an option also, and even null rendering, which allows it to run on every toaster. I don't think it has hybrid forward/deferred rendering though, but that might come in future also. ■ Ryzen 9 ■ RX 6800M ■ 16GB ■ XF8 ■ Windows 11 ■ ■ Ultra ■ LE 2.5 ■ 3DWS 5.6 ■ Reaper ■ C/C++ ■ C# ■ Fortran 2008 ■ Story ■ ■ Homepage: https://canardia.com ■ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 For the record, "hybrid" forward-deferred rendering is not "modern". It's a half-baked technique for slow hardware. For rendering, we're focusing on mobile-level graphics across all platforms for the initial release, since the art pipeline and gameplay features are the real point of the new software. That was something I misunderestimated the importance of in LE2. 1 My job is to make tools you love, with the features you want, and performance you can't live without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benton Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 So PC's will have mobile level graphics? We are not getting the dynamic day-night system, the OpenGL 5 tessellation, post processing effects, scalability across all platforms, just mobile graphics? I guess that's ok, we can develop our games and then add on the advanced graphics later. Better wait three months, get LE3, design a game for 3 months and get high end graphics then wait 6 months for LE3 to come out with the high end graphics. But still, this is a little disappointing. Windows 7 Professional 64 bit, 16 gigs ram, 3.30GHz Quad Core, GeForce GTX 460 one gig, Leadwerks 2.5, Blender 2.62, Photoshop CS3, UU3D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 The point of Leadwerks3D is to make a game engine with a really easy to use editor, a framework for game interactions, and support for mobile. I already know how to do high-end graphics, and they can be added on later, but a good foundation has to be in place first. I don't want to make another high-end renderer only a few people can use. My job is to make tools you love, with the features you want, and performance you can't live without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benton Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Yeah but don't forget, people use Leadwerks BECAUSE of the high end graphics. Will LE3 have a good terrain system? Will it render models as nicely as LE2? These are also things I consider really important, almost as much as a good art pipeline and game interaction framework. Your vegetation system is the best I have seen for indies. Will LE have that? I picked LE mostly on the terrain system, and lighting, and would be quite sad if we lost that, however a better art pipeline and game interaction framework would make me really happy. As long as you are not making LE3 a mobile engine with Desktop tacked on like Shiva and Unity, I think many of us will consider it money well spent. Windows 7 Professional 64 bit, 16 gigs ram, 3.30GHz Quad Core, GeForce GTX 460 one gig, Leadwerks 2.5, Blender 2.62, Photoshop CS3, UU3D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Producer Posted May 21, 2012 Author Share Posted May 21, 2012 So, this summer then Josh, right? Intel Dual Core 3GHz / GeForce GTS 450 - 1024 MB / Driver ver 267.59 / 8 GB RAM / Win 7 - 64 bit / LE2.50 / BMAX 1.48 game producer blog - Dead Wake Zombie Game powered by Leadwerks Engine Twitter - Unfollow me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wh1sp3r Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 hmmm , so when will LE4 be released ? i will happily jump over LE3. -= Phenom II X4 965 3.4Ghz - ATI HD5870 - 6 GB DDR3 RAM - Windows 8 Pro 64x=- Website: http://www.flamewarestudios.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixel Perfect Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 If the roadmap remains unchanged the first drop of LE3 will not even have terrain. Intel Core i5 2.66 GHz, Asus P7P55D, 8Gb DDR3 RAM, GTX460 1Gb DDR5, Windows 7 (x64), LE Editor, GMax, 3DWS, UU3D Pro, Texture Maker Pro, Shader Map Pro. Development language: C/C++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 So, this summer then Josh, right? That's the plan. My job is to make tools you love, with the features you want, and performance you can't live without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benton Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 No terrain? Please be kidding. I don't want LE3 to be a mobile engine with desktop tacked on. It should be a desktop engine that can downscale to mobile. Windows 7 Professional 64 bit, 16 gigs ram, 3.30GHz Quad Core, GeForce GTX 460 one gig, Leadwerks 2.5, Blender 2.62, Photoshop CS3, UU3D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 No terrain? Please be kidding. I don't want LE3 to be a mobile engine with desktop tacked on. It should be a desktop engine that can downscale to mobile. If you're serious about making games, mobile is where all the opportunity is. You can release an okayish game on PC and you won't even be able to give it away. Release the same game for mobile and you're a superstar. I'm still building the engine to be scalable, because I want to return to high-end PC graphics, but trying to make a business on that alone will fail. My job is to make tools you love, with the features you want, and performance you can't live without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L B Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 If you're serious about making games, mobile is where all the opportunity is. You can release an okayish game on PC and you won't even be able to give it away. Release the same game for mobile and you're a superstar. Mobile is where I expect most of our sales to come from, based on the feedback I've gotten so far. I'm still building the engine to be scalable, because I want to return to high-end PC graphics, but trying to make a business on that alone will fail. Yay! And thus, Leadwerks died to profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigitalHax Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 I agree Josh. Right now everyone is throwing money away at apps and games on their phones. Many people don't buy so many games for pc. The thing is more people buy stuff on mobile, rather than a few buying PC. Most games that really get sold on PC are indie games that have gained some fame, or games that are made by big developers and publishers. But they use custom build next-gen engines. Ones that far exceed any available now. And chances are they might not even release the engine afterwards. With mobile gaming almost all recent 3d engines look great on mobile. Win7 64bit, Leadwerks SDK 2.5, Visual Studio 2012, 3DWS, 3ds Max, Photoshop CS5. Life is too short to remove USB safely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benton Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Heh heh, I was actually hoping for LE2 terrain with thousands of trees to work on mobile Mobile is where I plan to develop for. The money, unless you have a team, in in mobile. Alone, you have like a 1 in a 1000 chance of making much money on PC. However I don't want PC to be overlooked, because PC is way more fun to develop for. Windows 7 Professional 64 bit, 16 gigs ram, 3.30GHz Quad Core, GeForce GTX 460 one gig, Leadwerks 2.5, Blender 2.62, Photoshop CS3, UU3D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Yay! And thus, Leadwerks died to profit. You can't make a 3D engine nowadays and not support mobile. That would be ignoring 90% of indie devs. The best I can do is use sales of the mobile licenses to support development of the high-end features.Heh heh, I was actually hoping for LE2 terrain with thousands of trees to work on mobile That's likely to be possible in the future. My job is to make tools you love, with the features you want, and performance you can't live without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benton Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Will we be able to develop for iPhone on PC and then compile and build the app on a Mac? Cause I can't afford a Mac, but I can use a friends macbook to build apps. Windows 7 Professional 64 bit, 16 gigs ram, 3.30GHz Quad Core, GeForce GTX 460 one gig, Leadwerks 2.5, Blender 2.62, Photoshop CS3, UU3D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Will we be able to develop for iPhone on PC and then compile and build the app on a Mac? Cause I can't afford a Mac, but I can use a friends macbook to build apps. Yes. My job is to make tools you love, with the features you want, and performance you can't live without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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