Collision problems on imported fbx mesh

[waswart]

Hi,

 

I imported a .fbx mesh originally created in Blender, and in Leadwerks created an accompanying .phy file (Polymesh), with collision set to Scene.

 

Created a box with collision set to Prop.

 

As per attached images:

When I position the box over an area sparse with triangles, the collision works as expected:

 

 

If I position the box over an area dense with triangles, the box falls through the mesh, and collision does not work at all:

 

 

I initially could not understand why collision was sometimes working, sometimes not, and eventually could reproduce the problem consistently.

 

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks

[Josh]

Please post your files.

[waswart]

Please find attached.

Thanks

Testcase.zip

[YouGroove]

I tested several case and confirm the bug : solid go trhough mesh where there is more polygons.

 

In fact LE3 don't work for collision against planes also, a volume will pass throught planes.

You would need to make not a plane, but a volume like a big cube having the top face detailled and sculpted, it should work this way.

 

Or you can use LE3 terrain to avoid that problem.

 

I made a terrain using falling cubes and i got LE3 crash ??

 

I joined my crashing map, just dezip it to a new LE3 project , just run project.

Important : This is LE 3.0 test, not 3.1 test.

 

Or more simple , create a level with terrain, make a cube or cylinder with a mass flying above terrain, nad run the project

start.zip

[YouGroove]

In fact this bug seems similar to one i had :

http://www.leadwerks.com/werkspace/topic/7874-model-collision-bug/

 

I would like to see if it is Newton 3 related or LE3 or other problem ?

[waswart]

On the 3.1 Indie Edition for Steam I don't get any collisions (no collisions on both flat and sloped areas) although Show Physics indicates there should be at least collisions on the flat areas:

 

[YouGroove]

Could you post the file or it is the same models test ?

[waswart]

It uses the same .fbx

[YouGroove]

I remade a test wit ha cube on areas where collision worked, i mean with less polygon density.

And yes in 3.1 the cube passes through with no collision.

In fact Newton physics doin't seem to work with planes style objects, and there is serious bugs like no collision with simple models or simple cube collision tests that could make it also can't work for what you want to do unfortunatelly.

 

What was your test ? a simple test ? or did you had a game project behind ?

[Josh]

Okay, I have the model now and the first thing I notice is picking doesn't work outside a certain range.

 

The model is scaled to 1000,1000,1000, which is quite large. It could cause floating point problems, but nothing to this degree.

 

It is not terribly surprising that such an unusual case would have problems with picking and scaling, but it is still a bug. This extreme case just reveals a problem that doesn't come up at lower scales.

[Josh]

Okay, further testing indicates that the small triangles are not pickable, while the large triangles are. This is consistent with the collision behavior you described.

 

So it appears the mesh has triangles too small and the physics build process discards these triangles based on a floating point threshold.

[Josh]

There is another technique I can use to build the physics meshes but I don't want to invest time in changing that when there are more critical issues to focus on. At this time my official explanation is triangles cannot be below a certain threshold in size or they will be discarded in physics and picking. The solution is the scale up the vertices in your modeling program. Note this has nothing to do with the scale of the model, AFAICT.

 

I'm moving this to suggestions because it naturally leads to the suggestion to handle all triangles regardless of size.

[YouGroove]

I just tested in another 3D engine.

In fact the mesh surface model is really tiny compared to standard characte rsize.

I put mesh collision and the character could work on it without any collision problem.

 

LE3 will need to improve with any Mesh/triangle size like this one it should work and not be so much restrictive.